Transwomen and rush.
 

I don't believe that all of the NPC have the same policies on Transwomen, does anyone have information on how Rush works when an applicant can be admitted to some of the sororities and can not be admitted to others?

(My *guess* was that as of 1990, that the NPC sororities all had the same admission requirements in that regards, I have no idea how far back you would have to go before you had religious or racial differences admission requirements among the NPC members, 1960s?)

I guess they go to the parties but get cut by those groups.

I'm not clear on precisely what you are asking. Some NPC groups initiated Asians and/or Blacks during the 1950s.

Why are you asking about Membership Selection? What is your interest, exactly? Enlighten me (and others, I suspect).

FYI, recruitment, not rush, is the term you want to use. Please. Thank you.

Why don't you look up recruiitment information for various campuses? Such as Alabama which has their Greek Chic booklet online??????? Or the membership section of the 26 NPC groups' websites? It's out there for you.

I'm not interested for this for which of the 26 allow Transwomen, I'm interested in how a local Panhellenic would deal with the situation where a subset of those going through recruitment are allowed to be members of some sororities and not allowed to be members of other sororities. Today, that issue would cover Transwomen, I think it has been many years since it was true about something else.

Not hard to find...

Many national organizations have created LGBT-inclusive membership policies. In the National Panhellenic Conference, Delta Phi Epsilon is explicitly open to trans and non-binary individuals,[2] and sororities open to any individual who identifies as a woman include: Alpha Chi Omega,[3] Alpha Delta Pi,[4] Alpha Epsilon Phi,[5] Alpha Omicron Pi,[6] Alpha Sigma Tau,[7] Chi Omega,[8] Delta Gamma,[9] Gamma Phi Beta,[10] Kappa Alpha Theta,[11] Kappa Delta,[12] Kappa Kappa Gamma,[13] Phi Sigma Sigma,[14] Sigma Sigma Sigma,[15] and Theta Phi Alpha.[16] Sororities open to any individual who identifies and lives as a woman include: Alpha Gamma Delta,[17] Alpha Xi Delta,[18] Delta Delta Delta,[19] Pi Beta Phi,[20] Sigma Delta Tau,[21] and Sigma Kappa,[22] while Zeta Tau Alpha specifies that the individual must "consistently" identify and live as a woman.[23]

Never mind the source numbers...just copied.

I assume it would work in a similar way to grade cuts - the women still go to the parties, but are not invited to further rounds if they do not make grades for the chapter - or in this case, do not qualify for membership in a certain organization.

Dumb question - how would they know? They'd have to either ask or surmise. Surmising could lead to all kinds of stereotypical reactions.

I ask this because I have an acquaintance with whom I've had several long discussions. To look at her, one would immediately think trans woman, but she has mentioned to me more than once hormonal issues she's had throughout her life. I certainly would not dream of asking.

It all comes down to if they like someone.

It’s been true for grades for decades. Some sororities have higher grade requirements to pledge than others. Local Panhellenics put disclaimers that state Panhellenic policy and state that individual chapters may have different requirements.

Each sorority has national membership requirements. Neither NPC nor the local collegiate Panhellenics may infringe on those requirements.

Ah. So just as a Transwoman may only be able to be invited to pledge by 15 of 20 sororities on campus, an applicant with a 2.6 her first semester may only be invited to pledge by 14 of the 20.

Thanx, I hadn't thought of grade requirements as something that would separate the chapters in that way.

We talk about GPA requirements and "grade risks" all the time on this site. Those women are typically released first round.

They wouldn't know, per se...we don't ask for birth certificates, so it's all down to disclosure...and I feel like that gets sticky. The qualification for memberships in many organizations is, "are you a woman?" and since trans women are women...

Loop back to the situation when a specific religion was a membership requirement? You can't ask in rush (or might get a lie during rush), but you can throw them out if it comes out in pledging/as a sister??

A private group can throw out anybody they want. They may not give the real reason why but I doubt that they would have to.

If their rules prevent a PNm from being a member whatever it is the PNM may be/have done/have said, then of course they can deny the person membership.

Speaking for Alpha Sigma Tau, our membership eligibility requirements currently read: "Membership in Alpha Sigma Tau is open to women and transgender persons who identify as women."

There are so many variations across organizations that there's really no way to say that a PNM would benefit from disclosing more information or disclosing less. Regardless, some chapter members are going to make their own assumptions and conclusions and base membership decisions based on those assumptions. That's just how it is sometimes.

To answer naraht's question, it really would come down to a question of what each national organization - and each chapter - is willing to accept. Membership selection is private, so we never really know why a PNM is selected or not.

Based on how you asked the question, I admittedly only thought about this in the sense of gender and religion (historically). But GPA is certainly a very good example of a similar situation where one org will bring a PNM through to the next round, and another won't.

All this being said, I would bet good money that all of our orgs currently have at least one transgender and one non-binary member, regardless of national policy.

Thank you very much for your response. Oddly while I expect that while each NPC sorority has at least one transgender and one non-binary, I would *not* expect the same of the NIC. (At least one of the newer members of the NPC is sufficiently religious that I think it more likely that they don't)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...and_sororities

"Delta Tau Delta, Tau Kappa Epsilon, Sigma Phi Epsilon, Phi Mu Alpha Sinfonia, Phi Mu Delta, Pi Lambda Phi, and Delta Chi are explicitly inclusive of gay and transgender men".

I know there are a number (perhaps even a majority) of NIC fraternities that would welcome them. However unlike the 1980s/1990s/200Xs where I believe that all members of the NIC would admit all men, I don't believe that that is true today.

But are they? Not everyone agrees.

Some members of the KKG chapter at University of Wyoming are suing their national president and organization for "betray[ing] the central purpose and mission of Kappa Kappa Gamma by conflating the experience of being a woman with the experience of men engaging in behavior generally associated with women." according to Fox News:

https://www.foxnews.com/media/lawsui...cbo=v2-gXlIl0H

Who else was wondering when this was going to happen?

I came across this story this morning. Seems like there are more details here: https://cowboystatedaily.com/2023/03...gender-member/

Thank goodness a few persons have been paying close attention to their situation, and have the wherewithal to take steps to improve their best interests and satisfy their outcome.

After reading the article with the Kappa lawsuit, I'd say an erection is definitely a sign that this person should not have been pledged in the first place. Add the 1.9 GPA, and I'm vey surprised that he even got a bid!

This whole thing is so gross.

One of the stories (perhaps more; I didn't read more) strongly indicated pressure from a national and/or alumnae group. Sadly, many of our collegians don't know how to say "no" to that kind of pressure, even if it's a person they wouldn't otherwise choose to pledge.

Without knowing other groups' policies, I do know Delta Gamma reserves new member selection for collegians. It's an honor and a privilege reserved for them, but in my (very limited) experience, it's not often stressed.

How does Kappa, or how do the offended Kappa women, prevent Artemis from writing articles/books about his experience and/or give interviews regarding same?

the newest members of NPC have been in since the 1950s.

I'll be interested to read the defendants' response. The story seems very strange to me. Taking at face value the allegation that KKG nationals was insistent to pledge a trans woman somewhere, the University of Wyoming is literally the worst place in America to give it a try. Kappa has lots of unhoused chapters and chapters at super liberal schools. I mean, they have a chapter at UC Santa Cruz! The complaint is basically saying that Kappa leadership is a bunch of self-destructive idiots who can't find (or don't listen to) competent legal advice. That is always possible with a group of humans; it just seems bizarre with this particular situation.

Certain national sororities have been desperately, desperately pushing to look woke/far left/scarily inclusive/whatever you call it. They have also lost millions of dollars of donations from weary alums.

I can only imagine the fear of these girls when ole boy was sitting in the house and getting his jollies while they were dressing. What happened to sororities being safe places for women?

I decided to look on the site that shall not be mentioned and apparently, this guy has been on school radar for months: Look at this from last year: the incel at KKG by: common sense Oct 23, 2022 11:47:53 AM

"why didn’t the usual ruthless looks standards for sororities apply to this beast? and now they’re endangering college aged women by putting them in the same house. if something did happen they would certainly cover it up."

As part of our prep for fall 2023 recruitment my Rosebud and I viewed together last year’s promotional videos from all the NPCs at the college she will attend, and we noticed one of the orgs really leaned way, way in to emphasizing their acceptance of all and welcoming culture. Their video featured rainbow painted yard letters, and women waving LGBTQ+ flags, and pride-focused T-shirts and banners. We discussed it, and we are thinking that chapter may already have a member who is part of the LGBTQ+ community, and this is their way of supporting her.

I wish I could give kudos to this post a million times. A sorority should be a safe place for women.

Wyoming was the place where Matthew Shepard was killed in 1998. I was in college when that happened and I will never forget it. Perhaps it’s seen as some redemption arc for the school in regards to LGBTQ issues?

Blows my mind that the movement has gone from people begging for basic human decency, research for AIDS, safety and the right to love who you want to live…to people feeling victimized and protesting over not being referred to by “they/them” pronouns. It’s like a mockery to all the work that the OG activists did in the 80s and 90s…just to survive. Now, a man can change his pronouns on a piece of paper so “she” can be in a sorority. They’re probably rolling over in their graves.

It’s also incredibly hypocritical to promote BELIEVE WOMEN (wait…that’s back when we WERE women and not uterus people or whatever they changed it to)…ok, believe survivors…because if someone feels unsafe or feels like their boundaries are being crossed…people should respect that…to, “go shower with a naked man with an erection in your sorority house and if you don’t, the problem is YOU.”

I’m totally supporting the women who came forward. Everyone has a right to feel safe in their own home…and, as a society, can we stop destroying and/or compromising women only spaces???

Not to mention, every chapter is different.

It’s exactly because it’s Wyoming.

And yes, they were intimidated into admitting this person. This article says as much. I wonder where the chapter is in the pecking order at the school. (IE, I can’t see the chapter at Texas being hornswaggled into this.)

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ity-house.html

That this person is not small physically would be even more upsetting.

Meanwhile, in all probability, at another Kappa chapter somewhere, a member is getting brought in front of standards for sneaking her boyfriend who the whole chapter knows and likes into her room overnight.

This sucks for the transgender and non-binary people who just want to live their lives, and have been doing so. As with everything in the US, the extremes are the ones that can’t shut up.

Another of my sayings: bring me a problem, you have a partner. Bring me a crisis, you get a judge. Which one do you want?

Those of us who’ve been around (not naming names but you know who you are) have first hand experience with interference from HQ in matters that should be Chapter business. And this extends to membership selection which, as DGTess pointed out, is supposed to be reserved for the collegians/actives. The stories I have - shaking my head and saying to myself that this is beyond wrong. The GPA alone - wtf?

Wrong hill to die on. This is going to be costly, and not just monetarily, for Kappa Kappa Gamma, and for the rest of the NPC. The lawyers are going to have a field day.

I’m most furious with what the actives had to endure. Wondering where the angry parents are in all this? If my daughter … yeah okay you can connect the dots.

According to this article, then PNM Artemis Langford was making comments during recruitment about an interest in cadavers. Apparently also ignored questions related to hobbies and future goals, but was very interested in living in sorority housing. Adding to what has been disclosed about Artemis' low GPA, I believe that most of the organizations were likely concerned about the conversations members had with her.



https://www.nationalreview.com/news/...-male-student/

You KNOW they were forced to take him! Nobody would touch a regular PNM who acted that bizarrely and had a 1.9.