Advice for PNMs: Not getting a bid to your 1st choice.

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by AZ-AlphaXi

Which is why a chapter is never required to provide a plus list. The women on the plus list should only be women for which the chapter says "gee I'm sorry that we have to cut Suzie Q and Polly PNM and Nancy NicePNM" and not oh my .. why did we invite back the Wicked Witch of the West?

Really? That wasn't explained to the chapter in question...or at least the adviser didn't want them to know. That led to problems later. Good to know.

[AZ-AlphaXi]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

Really? That wasn't explained to the chapter in question...or at least the adviser didn't want them to know. That led to problems later. Good to know.

Here's the link to NPC's current report on RFM

https://www.npcwomen.org/resources/p...ate%202010.pdf

it talks about flex lists on the second page.

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by AZ-AlphaXi

Here's the link to NPC's current report on RFM

https://www.npcwomen.org/resources/p...ate%202010.pdf

it talks about flex lists on the second page.

Thanks! It makes total sense when I stopped to think about it. You can't make a chapter take back women they don't want, but if they're smart, they'll build it into their MS system.

[DeltaBetaBaby]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

Thanks! It makes total sense when I stopped to think about it. You can't make a chapter take back women they don't want, but if they're smart, they'll build it into their MS system.

Because of limited number of invitations, though, the likelihood of a woman wanting your group enters into the decision to some degree, in addition to how much you think the woman would be an asset to your chapter.

When I was in school, a woman came through who everyone knew was a direct descendant of a founder of another org. Do you really want to use up an invitation on her, even if she is super-awesome? Or would you rather invite back someone who is pretty-awesome, and really work to get the latter in your chapter?

Obviously, this doesn't apply to groups who get to invite everyone, but in general, I don't think that "on the flex list" necessarily means "less desirable".

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby

Because of limited number of invitations, though, the likelihood of a woman wanting your group enters into the decision to some degree, in addition to how much you think the woman would be an asset to your chapter.

When I was in school, a woman came through who everyone knew was a direct descendant of a founder of another org. Do you really want to use up an invitation on her, even if she is super-awesome? Or would you rather invite back someone who is pretty-awesome, and really work to get the latter in your chapter?

Obviously, this doesn't apply to groups who get to invite everyone, but in general, I don't think that "on the flex list" necessarily means "less desirable".

Oh definitely, but in those earlier rounds, there is likely to be lots of middle ground.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

Really? That wasn't explained to the chapter in question...or at least the adviser didn't want them to know. That led to problems later. Good to know.

I know people on here have talked about their GA/Panhellenic "forcing" them to provide flex lists or invite a certain number of PNMs back. If your school has a history of this, that's when you get your national peeps in on things before rush and tell them "the GA wants us to invite Paris Hilton's brain on Jabba the Hutt's body. Please tell them to go pound sand."

[DeltaBetaBaby]

Originally Posted by 33girl

I know people on here have talked about their GA/Panhellenic "forcing" them to provide flex lists or invite a certain number of PNMs back. If your school has a history of this, that's when you get your national peeps in on things before rush and tell them "the GA wants us to invite Paris Hilton's brain on Jabba the Hutt's body. Please tell them to go pound sand."

Yeah, but I don't doubt that's also been used by a chapter advisor as a convenient excuse. I'm not saying that a chapter should invite anyone and everyone to make quota, but I know that I may not have made the best decisions as an 18-year-old collegiate.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby

Yeah, but I don't doubt that's also been used by a chapter advisor as a convenient excuse. I'm not saying that a chapter should invite anyone and everyone to make quota, but I know that I may not have made the best decisions as an 18-year-old collegiate.

IMO the chapter advisor shouldn't be making those decisions either. She is not the one who has to live with the person day in and day out. No collegians don't always make the best decisions, but especially in this day and age, they get less and less chance to do so for themselves. If they screw up and don't make quota because the only girls they wanted wanted other groups and got them, they'll learn a lesson in openmindedness a lot more quickly than they will if a chapter advisor or anyone else tries to push people down their throat.

[aephi alum]

Originally Posted by 33girl

I know people on here have talked about their GA/Panhellenic "forcing" them to provide flex lists or invite a certain number of PNMs back. If your school has a history of this, that's when you get your national peeps in on things before rush and tell them "the GA wants us to invite Paris Hilton's brain on Jabba the Hutt's body. Please tell them to go pound sand."

You owe me a new monitor. There is now water all over this one.

I don't understand this whole flex list thing, but I can't believe a chapter would be forced to invite back Lizzie Borden the Ax Murderer with the 0.1 GPA, even if this means they don't make quota.

[carnation]

Remember when a GCer from one of the Bama chapters told us that on Bid Day, 4 girls they'd cut walked through their door? They had cut them but some "well-meaning" alum had sneaked these awful girls back on the list because she was afraid that the chapter wouldn't make quota.

Seems that sometimes, either alums OR Panhellenic can do a number on you.

[SWTXBelle]

Originally Posted by carnation

Remember when a GCer from one of the Bama chapters told us that on Bid Day, 4 girls they'd cut walked through their door? They had cut them but some "well-meaning" alum had sneaked these awful girls back on the list because she was afraid that the chapter wouldn't make quota.

Seems that sometimes, either alums OR Panhellenic can do a number on you.

Were they at pref? Because if so, they wouldn't have been "cut" - only put on the second bid list. If they weren't at pref - WTH? That would warrant a call to HQ.

[KDMafia]

Were they at pref? Because if so, they wouldn't have been "cut" - only put on the second bid list. If they weren't at pref - WTH? That would warrant a call to HQ.

Not necessarily if they were snap bids. I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't make quota and their advisor/recruitment chair made the decision to snap bid if necessary. After working with a chapter for four years the lack of knowledge most of them have about how bid matching and everything works can be shocking, especially when they want to have a certain belief about their recruitment chair, the panhellenic board etc.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by KDMafia

Not necessarily if they were snap bids. I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't make quota and their advisor/recruitment chair made the decision to snap bid if necessary.

Again I say, . If a woman doesn't make the cut she doesn't make the cut...quota or not. I can't believe there would ever be a situation where one person could override the chapter's decision and get away with it.

[IndianaSigKap]

Originally Posted by KDMafia

After working with a chapter for four years the lack of knowledge most of them have about how bid matching and everything works can be shocking, especially when they want to have a certain belief about their recruitment chair, the panhellenic board etc.

So true! I worked with a chapter that had no idea how bid matching worked. I knew there was no way to explain it, so I created a role play with three chapters and 30 PNMs all named for celebrities. I had the other advisors to come in and we actually did a mock bid matching for the chapter. It really helped them to understand how the process works. It also made them see the importance of not giving every "nice" girl who came through the highest marks possible and really evaluating how the PNM would fit into the chapter or add value to the chapter.

[carnation]

Originally Posted by SWTXBelle

Were they at pref? Because if so, they wouldn't have been "cut" - only put on the second bid list. If they weren't at pref - WTH? That would warrant a call to HQ.

They had cut the girls early in recruitment and apparently their advisors added them back to the bid list anyway. I remember the poster and her chapter and school but had probably better not put it here.

I seem to recall her saying that they never saw those particular advisors again, lol.