So What Happens Now? - Page 4

Rudey · #46 04-11-2006, 10:59 AM

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Originally posted by jubilance1922
Yeah, wikipedia is such an accurate source.

You can pull up whatever you want to Rudey, but I'm going to give the victim the benefit of the doubt. I know what sexual assault does to you and your state of mind. Not to mention, I never said that I thought these young men were guilty. I said that I believed Bradley, and I believe this young woman.

What was inaccurate about that evidence? I have read it in many sources.

I can't argue with what you believe and your opinion. You can say the JFK was shot by the CIA, little green men landed in Roswell and that Mormons are right. It's not possible for me to argue against an opinion. I can argue with the facts. And right now the facts are supposed to show someone is a rapist, otherwise there is no merit to the claim - and they haven't done that.

It's funny, cry wolf enough times and after a while nobody believes you.

-Rudey

Rudey · #47 04-11-2006, 11:00 AM

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Originally posted by jubilance1922
Doesn't mean that sexual contact happened without her consent.

I love how everyone in this thread thinks they are qualified to discuss what physical evidence "should" be present during a sexual assault. Is anyone here a forensic scientist? Police officer? Rape counselor? No? Well then, you're just reguritating stuff you've read somewhere else, and you have no clue if its true or not.

I love how without any knowledge you believe her story.

-Rudey

jubilance1922 · #48 04-11-2006, 11:02 AM

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Originally posted by Rudey
I love how without any knowledge you believe her story.

-Rudey

Last time I checked, I was allowed to do that.

Rudey · #49 04-11-2006, 11:06 AM

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Originally posted by jubilance1922
Last time I checked, I was allowed to do that.

Last time I checked, I didn't say you weren't but you're the one that decided to bring it up against others, no?

Would there be any evidence to make you believe that this prostitute is lying or does her playing the race card give her unlimited credibility?

-Rudey

DSTCHAOS · #50 04-11-2006, 11:06 AM

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Originally posted by jubilance1922
The fact remains that the only folks who know what happened are not on this board, so calling folks vicious names is not helping anyone. Let's try to keep this conversation adult and civilized.

You know enough about rape and sexual assault to know why these convos are rarely adult and civilized.

DSTCHAOS · #51 04-11-2006, 11:11 AM

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Originally posted by Rudey
Would there be any evidence to make you believe that this prostitute is lying or does her playing the race card give her unlimited credibility?

Prostitute? The "race card" (race isn't a card, but okay) would have been played even if the alleged victim did not say anything about the "N" word. It would have been played even MORESO if this had been a black team with a white exotic dancer. Such is life.

Also, the media commentary on the fact that Duke is on one side of the tracks and that NCCU is on the other side of the tracks in the same city speaks volumes on social class and race in this country.

jubilance1922 · #52 04-11-2006, 11:15 AM

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Originally posted by Rudey
Last time I checked, I didn't say you weren't but you're the one that decided to bring it up against others, no?

Would there be any evidence to make you believe that this prostitute is lying or does her playing the race card give her unlimited credibility?

-Rudey

No, I brought up the fact that folks think they are experts when they aren't. I never said folks couldn't have their own opinion. Saying "I think he did it" is different than saying "XYZ evidence is missing and therefore that means that ABC did/didn't happen"...one is based in opinion and one is based in supposed "facts" that folks really can't prove on here.

Who said she was a prostitute? Exotic dancer/stripper is not the same thing.

How did she "play" the race card? She can't help the race of her alleged attackers.

mccoyred · #53 04-11-2006, 11:16 AM

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Originally posted by Rudey
Last time I checked, I didn't say you weren't but you're the one that decided to bring it up against others, no?

Would there be any evidence to make you believe that this prostitute is lying or does her playing the race card give her unlimited credibility?

-Rudey

Here we go with names again.

First Limbaugh then macallan25 and now you. Stop it already! Just because she is a stripper does NOT mean she is a prostitute or a crackhead or ho or anything else like that. Now if she happens to be and those facts are proven, then fine but don't make assumptions because if you want to stick to the facts, then stick to them all the way not just when its convenient.

BTW, neither side has unlimited credibility.

wrigley · #54 04-11-2006, 11:16 AM

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Originally posted by ecupidelta
Bottom line despite everything else that's being said..... the 46 young men tested did not match any DNA recovered from her body. If 3 of them held her down and forcible raped her there would have been transfer somewhere. There was none. And now there are photos that show her arriving at the house already bruised and beat up.

If "guests" of the lacrosse team party were the ones who actually did commit the assault, aren't the team members who were there guilty of doing nothing to stop it? Why such a code of silence by the entire team? The resignation of the award winning coach wouldn't have been necessary if they were completely innocent.

Peaches-n-Cream · #55 04-11-2006, 11:18 AM

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Originally posted by jubilance1922
Yeah, wikipedia is such an accurate source.

You can pull up whatever you want to Rudey, but I'm going to give the victim the benefit of the doubt. I know what sexual assault does to you and your state of mind. Not to mention, I never said that I thought these young men were guilty. I said that I believed Bradley, and I believe this young woman.

I just posted this link in another thread. It's Court TV so I'm not sure how credible a source it is. Here is a CNN story about the following lawsuit.

Rudey · #56 04-11-2006, 11:21 AM

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Originally posted by jubilance1922
No, I brought up the fact that folks think they are experts when they aren't. I never said folks couldn't have their own opinion. Saying "I think he did it" is different than saying "XYZ evidence is missing and therefore that means that ABC did/didn't happen"...one is based in opinion and one is based in supposed "facts" that folks really can't prove on here.

Who said she was a prostitute? Exotic dancer/stripper is not the same thing.

How did she "play" the race card? She can't help the race of her alleged attackers.

She worked for an escort agency.

And she said she was attacked by white guys who yelled racial epithets at ther right? And then people talked about how Duke is full of rich white kids (30% minority of course) in a poor black neighborhood.

Again, what evidence would make you not believe her story?

-Rudey

Rudey · #57 04-11-2006, 11:22 AM

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Originally posted by mccoyred
Here we go with names again. First Limbaugh then macallan25 and now you. Stop it already! Just because she is a stripper does NOT mean she is a prostitute or a crackhead or ho or anything else like that. Now if she happens to be and those facts are proven, then fine but don't make assumptions because if you want to stick to the facts, then stick to them all the way not just when its convenient.

BTW, neither side has unlimited credibility.

She worked for an escort agency. I did reply to your post about epithets and you didn't reply back.

Prostitute isn't a bad word just like a stripper isn't a bad word.

-Rudey

Rudey · #58 04-11-2006, 11:24 AM

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Originally posted by wrigley
If "guests" of the lacrosse team party were the ones who actually did commit the assault, aren't the team members who were there guilty of doing nothing to stop it? Why such a code of silence by the entire team? The resignation of the award winning coach wouldn't have been necessary if they were completely innocent.

The law has put many innocent people into jails. In this case, the law has ruined their reputations before a trial or even an indictment.

They provided DNA evidence and have every right to not help "The law" screw them.

-Rudey

jubilance1922 · #59 04-11-2006, 11:25 AM

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Originally posted by Rudey
She worked for an escort agency.

And she said she was attacked by white guys who yelled racial epithets at ther right? And then people talked about how Duke is full of rich white kids (30% minority of course) in a poor black neighborhood.

Again, what evidence would make you not believe her story?

-Rudey

I'd like proof that she worked as an escort, not just that she worked for an escort agency.

Once again, how is she "pulling the race card" if her alleged attackers shouted racial epithets AT HER? She's not responsible for that, nor is she responsible for the media's spin on the story. I seriously doubt that she's some type of Jedi using mind tricks to get people to do her bidding.

I don't know what kind of evidence I would need to not believe her. But I know I don't have it now, and until I do, I'm going to believe her story.

DSTCHAOS · #60 04-11-2006, 11:26 AM

Thanks for reminding me of why I wasn't going to discuss this case on Greek Chat.