Releasing all Pledges

[carnation]

I get the impression that many of the girls only had Alpha Alpha left anyway, which means they would have been bidless had AA not participated.

I don't know how much the AA chapter knew about their situation. Nationals could have come in there with all kinds of physical and other help and maybe AA thought, "We can do this!" But it didn't happen and Nationals looked at the bottom line and said it wasn't going to work.

One good thing was that they released all the girls before initiation. It would have been horrible if they had kept them until then, knowing that they then wouldn't have had other options. In no way should the other groups been forced to pledge the newly released girls, though, especially if they had been cut by the other groups already.

[Cheerio]

Originally Posted by SuzyInMD

......My opinion is Alpha Alpha acted irresponsibly and callously, and the remaining sororities on campus aren't doing anything to assist these women. I'm giving you an example where seeing the process through and trusting the process did not serve this group of women at all. According to my daughter, about half the released PNMs are sophomore transfer students and will not rush again next year as juniors.

One irresponsible thing a released pledge could do in this situation is badmouth their now-former sorority. Choices about whether to continue the sorority experience process can and do change.

One callous thing any remaining sorority on campus could do in this situation is immediately pledge released women, whom they likely do not know very well, then honestly drop them for legitimate reasons before initiation.

Time is a healer, and allows for further information exploration by any party with a continuing interest in sorority membership.

[Titchou]

A few random thoughts - chapter closings after an inadequate recruitment is far more common than you might think. I can think of 3 times that I know about withouot having to tax my brain. With the chapter closing, PH should have reset total giving all chapters on campus room to pledge any of these women they may have had interest in before. And it isn't necessarily the case that the 25 were "left overs." There may have been the one or two who wanted something different from what they were expected to do. May have wanted a place where early leadership positions were possible.

[Mab]

I actually know this campus/sorority. It was very unfortunate, especially because sadly another house shut down just a few years prior. The rankings site likely was a big factor in the recruiting struggles these chapters faced. While you have gotten a lot of feedback already, I just wanted to respond to this:

>>I also told my daughter her sorority and others could extend bids to the Alpha Alpha PNMs (allegedly Panhel suspended total) but they don't want to.


This is a campus that does not have enormous sorority mansions, but requires sophomores to live on campus and Greek housing fulfills this requirement. For those houses at house total that made or exceeded quota, they CANNOT take any additional members because there is no room to house them and they can't support a bigger MC in a number of ways. At least 3 houses were ineligible for COB because of numbers, so it was not even an option.


My understanding is that another house who was doing COB and has also been struggling with numbers did in fact take many of these girls during COB. Not sure of the details or if it was all of them though. I hope that your daughter's friend was able to explore that opportunity or any other available COB opportunities.

[Cheerio]

Originally Posted by SuzyInMD

My opinion is Alpha Alpha acted irresponsibly and callously, and the remaining sororities on campus aren't doing anything to assist these women. I'm giving you an example where seeing the process through and trusting the process did not serve this group of women at all. According to my daughter, about half the released PNMs are sophomore transfer students and will not rush again next year as juniors.

As far as the remaining sororities on campus doing nothing to assist the released women, said sororities made their own previous choices to release these women. No one can force a sorority to accept women they've previously released.

As far as seeing the process through and trusting the process, life turns and changes on a dime. There really are no guarantees in life. Going with the flow and bending/changing when necessary are good life options.

Reacting to and recovering from any type of sorority release requires more than complaining. Any released woman in your stated situation does have the option to re-rush, despite their apparent statements to your daughter that they will not do so.

There is also no hard-and-fast, NPC-wide mandatory rule that women cut by a chapter will always be cut; that decision belongs to each individual NPC group and involves Membership Selection which we on GC don't discuss.

[Mikki423]

I know what this is about. I was advised it was going to go national, to all 26 due to the new potential members we allowed in. Private message me.

[navane]

Originally Posted by Mikki423

I know what this is about. I was advised it was going to go national, to all 26 due to the new potential members we allowed in. Private message me.

I don't understand?

[Mikki423]

I was advised that the potential new members were going to be released as they were not a good fit for the organization at large and thus not the right fit for PNC, period. I cannot say all I was advised due to privacy concerns, but know it’s been a long time coming.

[carnation]

Mikki, this isn't making any sense. We know where it happened.

[navane]

Originally Posted by Mikki423

I was advised that the potential new members were going to be released as they were not a good fit for the organization at large and thus not the right fit for PNC, period. I cannot say all I was advised due to privacy concerns, but know it’s been a long time coming.

Originally Posted by FSUZeta

PNC? What is PNC?

I assume it was just a typo and she meant NPC.

Mikki, we're just trying to understand your message. Reading your post carefully, it sounds like you're saying that the Phi Sigma Sigma chapter at Cornell was directed (by PSS HQ?) to release all of their new members due to them feeling that the Cornell new member class didn't fit in right with PSS as a whole.

Or, you are possibly saying that another NPC sorority on the campus did not want to offer bids to the PSS released new members because they didn't fit into their sorority?

Please help me understand. You did say in another post "I was advised it was going to go national, to all 26 due to the new potential members we allowed in". Can you expand on what you meant? National NPC? What new members did you let in? (Who is the "we"? you mention?")

I can tell you have a lot to share, and it's probably important and worth discussing, but I'm having a hard time because the posts are vague.

[Titchou]

Originally Posted by navane

I assume it was just a typo and she meant NPC.

Mikki, we're just trying to understand your message. Reading your post carefully, it sounds like you're saying that the Phi Sigma Sigma chapter at Cornell was directed (by PSS HQ?) to release all of their new members due to them feeling that the Cornell new member class didn't fit in right with PSS as a whole.

Or, you are possibly saying that another NPC sorority on the campus did not want to offer bids to the PSS released new members because they didn't fit into their sorority?

Please help me understand. You did say in another post "I was advised it was going to go national, to all 26 due to the new potential members we allowed in". Can you expand on what you meant? National NPC? What new members did you let in? (Who is the "we"? you mention?")

I can tell you have a lot to share, and it's probably important and worth discussing, but I'm having a hard time because the posts are vague.

Mikki is not a member of any NPC group. If you do a search on this site for her screen name, you will find that out.

[FSUZeta]

PNC? What is PNC?

How would a member of Beta Sigma Phi know NPC stuff?

[honeychile]

Originally Posted by FSUZeta

PNC? What is PNC?

How would a member of Beta Sigma Phi know NPC stuff?

There's a bank called PNC...

[LaneSig]

Pardon my lane jump- Would the released pnms of this chapter be eligible for bids this semester or do they still need to wait until the next semester?

I remember a chapter getting closed at another school due to RMF. The pnms as a group (or mostly) joined another sorority the spring semester. I've personally seen this happen in the IFC world on two occasions, but do not know how often it occurs in the NPC world.

[carnation]

They could pledge right off if the other groups have space and want them. I have never seen a mass pickup by another sorority, though.